Mil 3.4.6
6. Question on the Nature of Heat in the Fires of Hell
6. Nerayikaggiuṇhabhāvapañha
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6. Question on the Nature of Heat in the Fires of Hell
The king said: “Venerable Nāgasena, you say that the heat of hell has a far greater intensity than that of a normal fire, and that a small stone placed in a normal fire cooking all day would not be dissolved, whereas a stone the size of a gabled house placed in the fire of hell would be dissolved in a moment. I do not believe this assertion. And then you say that those various beings who have arisen in hell, cooking in that hell for thousands of years are not dissolved. That assertion too I do not believe.”
The elder asked, “What do you think, your majesty, do those female sharks, crocodiles, turtles, pea-hens, and pigeons eat hard stones and gravel?” “Yes, venerable sir, they eat them.” “But then when those have gone down into their abdomens and stomachs are they dissolved?” “Yes, venerable sir, they are dissolved.” “But then is an embryo in their abdomens dissolved?” “Certainly not, venerable sir.” “For what reason?” “I think, venerable sir, due to the workings of kamma it would not dissolve.” “In the same way, your majesty, those various beings in hell, cooking in that hell for thousands of years are not dissolved. And this too was said, your majesty, by the Blessed One: ‘One does not complete one’s time until there is an end to one’s evil kamma.’”
“Give me another analogy.” “What do you think, your majesty, do female lions, tigers, panthers, and dogs eat hard bones and flesh?” “Yes, venerable sir, they eat them.” “But then when those have gone down into their abdomens and stomachs are they dissolved?” “Yes, venerable sir, they are dissolved.” “But then is an embryo in their abdomens dissolved?” “Certainly not, venerable sir.” “For what reason?” “I think, venerable sir, due to the workings of kamma it would not dissolve.” “In the same way, your majesty, those various beings in hell, cooking in that hell for thousands of years are not dissolved.”
“Give me another analogy.” “What do you think, your majesty, do those delicate Bactrian Greek women, noble women, brahmin women, and householder women eat hard cakes and meat?” “Yes, venerable sir, they eat them.” “But then when those have gone down into their abdomens and stomachs are they dissolved?” “Yes, venerable sir, they are dissolved.” “But then is an embryo in their abdomens dissolved?” “Certainly not, venerable sir.” “For what reason?” “I think, venerable sir, due to the workings of kamma it would not dissolve.” “In the same way, your majesty, those various beings in hell, cooking in that hell for thousands of years are not dissolved. And this too was said, your majesty, by the Blessed One: ‘One does not complete one’s time until there is an end to one’s evil kamma.’”
“You are clever, Venerable Nāgasena!”
Question on the Nature of Heat in the Fires of Hell sixth
6. Nerayikaggiuṇhabhāvapañha
Rājā āha— “bhante nāgasena, tumhe bhaṇatha— ‘pākatikaaggito nerayiko aggi mahābhitāpataro hoti, khuddakopi pāsāṇo pākatike aggimhi pakkhitto divasampi paccamāno na vilayaṁ gacchati, kūṭāgāramattopi pāsāṇo nerayikaggimhi pakkhitto khaṇena vilayaṁ gacchatī’ti, etaṁ vacanaṁ na saddahāmi, evañca pana vadetha ‘ye ca tattha uppannā sattā, te anekānipi vassasahassāni niraye paccamānā na vilayaṁ gacchantī’ti, tampi vacanaṁ na saddahāmī”ti.
Thero āha— “taṁ kiṁ maññasi, mahārāja, yā tā santi makariniyopi susumāriniyopi kacchapiniyopi moriniyopi kapotiniyopi, kiṁ nu tā kakkhaḷāni pāsāṇāni sakkharāyo ca khādantī”ti? “Āma, bhante, khādantī”ti. “Kiṁ pana tāni tāsaṁ kucchiyaṁ koṭṭhabbhantaragatāni vilayaṁ gacchantī”ti? “Āma, bhante, vilayaṁ gacchantī”ti. “Yo pana tāsaṁ kucchiyaṁ gabbho, sopi vilayaṁ gacchatī”ti? “Na hi, bhante”ti. “Kena kāraṇenā”ti? “Maññāmi, bhante, kammādhikatena na vilayaṁ gacchatī”ti. “Evameva kho, mahārāja, kammādhikatena nerayikā sattā anekānipi vassasahassāni niraye paccamānā na vilayaṁ gacchanti. Bhāsitampetaṁ, mahārāja, bhagavatā— ‘so na tāva kālaṁ karoti, yāva na taṁ pāpakammaṁ byantīhotī’”ti.
“Bhiyyo opammaṁ karohī”ti. “Taṁ kiṁ maññasi, mahārāja, yā tā santi sīhiniyopi byagghiniyopi dīpiniyopi kukkuriniyopi, kiṁ nu tā kakkhaḷāni aṭṭhikāni maṁsāni khādantī”ti? “Āma, bhante, khādantī”ti. “Kiṁ pana tāni tāsaṁ kucchiyaṁ koṭṭhabbhantaragatāni vilayaṁ gacchantī”ti? “Āma, bhante, vilayaṁ gacchantī”ti. “Yo pana tāsaṁ kucchiyaṁ gabbho, sopi vilayaṁ gacchatī”ti? “Na hi, bhante”ti. “Kena kāraṇenā”ti? “Maññāmi, bhante, kammādhikatena na vilayaṁ gacchatī”ti. “Evameva kho, mahārāja, kammādhikatena nerayikā sattā anekānipi vassasahassāni niraye paccamānā na vilayaṁ gacchantī”ti.
“Bhiyyo opammaṁ karohī”ti. “Taṁ kiṁ maññasi, mahārāja, yā tā santi yonakasukhumāliniyopi khattiyasukhumāliniyopi brāhmaṇasukhumāliniyopi gahapatisukhumāliniyopi, kiṁ nu tā kakkhaḷāni khajjakāni maṁsāni khādantī”ti? “Āma, bhante, khādantī”ti. “Kiṁ pana tāni tāsaṁ kucchiyaṁ koṭṭhabbhantaragatāni vilayaṁ gacchantī”ti? “Āma, bhante, vilayaṁ gacchantī”ti. “Yo pana tāsaṁ kucchiyaṁ gabbho sopi vilayaṁ gacchatī”ti? “Na hi, bhante”ti. “Kena kāraṇenā”ti? “Maññāmi, bhante, kammādhikatena na vilayaṁ gacchatī”ti. “Evameva kho, mahārāja, kammādhikatena nerayikā sattā anekānipi vassasahassāni niraye paccamānā na vilayaṁ gacchanti. Bhāsitampetaṁ, mahārāja, bhagavatā— ‘so na tāva kālaṁ karoti, yāva na taṁ pāpakammaṁ byantīhotī’”ti.
“Kallosi, bhante nāgasenā”ti.
Nerayikaggiuṇhabhāvapañho chaṭṭho.